1 00:00:04,430 --> 00:00:02,659 and it hits me oh my gosh this is that 2 00:00:05,630 --> 00:00:04,440 triangle you know there's explanation 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:05,640 for everything that occurred in the 4 00:00:12,290 --> 00:00:09,210 Rendlesham forest incident it was 5 00:00:16,849 --> 00:00:12,300 completely silent it comes right over 6 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:16,859 our heads it's also really standing in 7 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:18,570 the clearing he turned over to my father 8 00:00:26,060 --> 00:00:20,010 and held his hand and he looked in his 9 00:00:29,390 --> 00:00:26,070 eyes and said we're not alone welcome to 10 00:00:31,519 --> 00:00:29,400 podcast UFO for our live show during the 11 00:00:34,010 --> 00:00:31,529 show feel free to participate live in 12 00:00:37,180 --> 00:00:34,020 our chat room and don't forget to Like 13 00:00:40,069 --> 00:00:37,190 us on our very active Facebook page 14 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:40,079 hello and welcome to the show we have a 15 00:00:47,299 --> 00:00:44,610 Lois Elizondo with us today probably 16 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:47,309 don't need to say too much about him I'm 17 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:49,410 sure if you've been watching this topic 18 00:00:53,930 --> 00:00:51,930 you know exactly who he is here and a 19 00:00:55,369 --> 00:00:53,940 tip and we're gonna be talking about 20 00:00:57,799 --> 00:00:55,379 that and so much more 21 00:01:01,670 --> 00:00:57,809 welcome to the show Liu thank you for 22 00:01:04,009 --> 00:01:01,680 having me okay so let's tackle this hard 23 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:04,019 question right off the bat last year and 24 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:07,890 MUFON I remember you saying to everyone 25 00:01:11,870 --> 00:01:10,530 in the audience to be skeptical and so 26 00:01:14,750 --> 00:01:11,880 what do you think about the people who 27 00:01:18,910 --> 00:01:14,760 are skeptical about you and that you had 28 00:01:21,670 --> 00:01:18,920 any involvement in a tip in particular 29 00:01:23,990 --> 00:01:21,680 let's see there was an article that 30 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:24,000 recently came out 31 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:27,810 Keith Klaus article and it's saying that 32 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:31,770 I believe the Secretary of Defense for 33 00:01:38,899 --> 00:01:35,250 intelligence the name was Sherwood said 34 00:01:42,859 --> 00:01:38,909 that he didn't think that you were 35 00:01:47,179 --> 00:01:42,869 involved with the a tip program any time 36 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:47,189 at all sure well first and foremost look 37 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:50,610 in today's day of media it look 38 00:01:54,260 --> 00:01:51,930 everyone's entitled to the minute and 39 00:01:56,959 --> 00:01:54,270 and not everyone is necessarily going to 40 00:01:59,300 --> 00:01:56,969 agree with or even lying quiet what what 41 00:02:00,289 --> 00:01:59,310 we're doing and especially I think when 42 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:00,299 we're talking about speaking about 43 00:02:07,819 --> 00:02:04,250 topics as rich and potentially as as 44 00:02:09,770 --> 00:02:07,829 obscure and contentious at times as UFOs 45 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:09,780 and because of that people are always 46 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:12,330 going to have to try to poke holes in a 47 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:14,130 story I get it that's that 48 00:02:19,610 --> 00:02:17,010 just what the media does but I'm very 49 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:19,620 confident along with others that are in 50 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:22,050 senior positions of the US government of 51 00:02:27,770 --> 00:02:25,290 my of my credentials the Department of 52 00:02:29,900 --> 00:02:27,780 Defense is a large bureaucracy and 53 00:02:32,870 --> 00:02:29,910 sometimes it takes time for information 54 00:02:35,870 --> 00:02:32,880 to trickle down so this may very well be 55 00:02:37,430 --> 00:02:35,880 one of those cases and you know frankly 56 00:02:39,020 --> 00:02:37,440 I'm pretty optimistic that at some point 57 00:02:41,750 --> 00:02:39,030 here there their position may change 58 00:02:43,660 --> 00:02:41,760 again so it's not an unfortunate I wish 59 00:02:45,230 --> 00:02:43,670 I wish I'd say it's unusual but but 60 00:02:47,270 --> 00:02:45,240 sometimes it takes a while for 61 00:02:48,890 --> 00:02:47,280 information to keeping in mind for the 62 00:02:51,650 --> 00:02:48,900 last year and a half they had already 63 00:02:54,620 --> 00:02:51,660 said for the record that I think she was 64 00:02:55,670 --> 00:02:54,630 part of the program so you know I think 65 00:02:58,310 --> 00:02:55,680 they probably got their wires crossed 66 00:03:00,890 --> 00:02:58,320 somewhere when you read articles like 67 00:03:03,620 --> 00:03:00,900 this does it discourage you and make you 68 00:03:07,250 --> 00:03:03,630 want to just you know turn away from 69 00:03:08,660 --> 00:03:07,260 this whole thing no I mean people are 70 00:03:10,850 --> 00:03:08,670 entitled to their opinions and this and 71 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:10,860 it's going to continue to happen I think 72 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:13,410 that look we live in a society where 73 00:03:18,410 --> 00:03:15,330 everybody has a right to an opinion it 74 00:03:20,510 --> 00:03:18,420 doesn't matter how goofy or or or 75 00:03:23,060 --> 00:03:20,520 serious it is and I think that's what 76 00:03:24,500 --> 00:03:23,070 makes our society so so great so now 77 00:03:26,420 --> 00:03:24,510 people are gonna have have opinions I 78 00:03:28,490 --> 00:03:26,430 just had a penis for the last 70 years 79 00:03:30,110 --> 00:03:28,500 on this topic quite frankly so do I 80 00:03:32,630 --> 00:03:30,120 think that that opinions are going to 81 00:03:34,430 --> 00:03:32,640 change us because I happen to be the the 82 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:34,440 person who sure on this topic no 83 00:03:38,870 --> 00:03:36,690 absolutely not I think it's you know 84 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:38,880 this is I hate to say but it says 85 00:03:42,230 --> 00:03:41,130 American as apple pie and you know 86 00:03:44,570 --> 00:03:42,240 that's what happens when you live in a 87 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:44,580 free society we allow everybody to have 88 00:03:50,930 --> 00:03:47,570 a voice I watched this screener for 89 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:50,940 unidentified and I was thrilled by how 90 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:53,850 well it was produced and I thought the 91 00:03:59,120 --> 00:03:56,130 content was great and what it revealed 92 00:04:00,670 --> 00:03:59,130 and everything and I think the nimitz 93 00:04:04,340 --> 00:04:00,680 may prove to be one of the most 94 00:04:06,199 --> 00:04:04,350 important encounters a lot of it had to 95 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:06,209 do the notoriety had to do with the 96 00:04:11,270 --> 00:04:08,970 videos and you know a couple of videos 97 00:04:13,370 --> 00:04:11,280 came out we have a very visual society 98 00:04:16,849 --> 00:04:13,380 anyway and are there gonna be more 99 00:04:20,780 --> 00:04:16,859 videos coming out that we can eventually 100 00:04:22,370 --> 00:04:20,790 get to see well certainly but let me 101 00:04:25,130 --> 00:04:22,380 define you know coming out on this 102 00:04:27,890 --> 00:04:25,140 particular series or the next episode 103 00:04:29,510 --> 00:04:27,900 you know and I think I think 104 00:04:33,050 --> 00:04:29,520 videos will be coming out yes but not 105 00:04:34,670 --> 00:04:33,060 necessarily through our show immediately 106 00:04:37,159 --> 00:04:34,680 because at the end of the day videos are 107 00:04:39,439 --> 00:04:37,169 just one aspect of many many many when 108 00:04:41,090 --> 00:04:39,449 you're trying to - who will build a case 109 00:04:43,370 --> 00:04:41,100 on something you know eyewitness 110 00:04:45,140 --> 00:04:43,380 testimony is very important video is 111 00:04:46,939 --> 00:04:45,150 very important radar data is very 112 00:04:49,159 --> 00:04:46,949 important electro-optical dated gun 113 00:04:51,050 --> 00:04:49,169 camera footage is very important and 114 00:04:53,840 --> 00:04:51,060 it's it's a much bigger story than just 115 00:04:55,909 --> 00:04:53,850 a video or two or three videos i think 116 00:04:58,430 --> 00:04:55,919 the viewer will appreciate as you begin 117 00:05:01,040 --> 00:04:58,440 to watch more and more of these you will 118 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:01,050 you will begin to realize that this is a 119 00:05:07,790 --> 00:05:04,050 much much bigger much more comprehensive 120 00:05:09,950 --> 00:05:07,800 and nigma that we are facing and 121 00:05:12,500 --> 00:05:09,960 although videos are neat because people 122 00:05:14,659 --> 00:05:12,510 look at how that look at that thing 123 00:05:16,969 --> 00:05:14,669 this is this is much more compelling and 124 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:16,979 when you begin to actually listen to the 125 00:05:20,810 --> 00:05:18,810 eyewitnesses these are men and women who 126 00:05:23,810 --> 00:05:20,820 are still active duty in uniform and and 127 00:05:26,659 --> 00:05:23,820 you see what the the struggle that and 128 00:05:29,689 --> 00:05:26,669 and potentially in some cases even even 129 00:05:31,249 --> 00:05:29,699 putting them in harm's way and then had 130 00:05:33,469 --> 00:05:31,259 this discussion in front of the American 131 00:05:35,750 --> 00:05:33,479 people I think people will begin to 132 00:05:37,219 --> 00:05:35,760 realize this is a very this is a very 133 00:05:39,050 --> 00:05:37,229 interesting question that we knew that 134 00:05:40,430 --> 00:05:39,060 we need to answers to this and yeah 135 00:05:43,070 --> 00:05:40,440 there's a national security aspect 136 00:05:44,300 --> 00:05:43,080 edition it's not just hey I saw 137 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:44,310 something flying when I was flying my 138 00:05:49,790 --> 00:05:47,970 f-18 and I think as we continue with a 139 00:05:52,250 --> 00:05:49,800 few more of these episodes it's going to 140 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:52,260 become very very apparent that that this 141 00:05:56,750 --> 00:05:54,570 is truly a global phenomena was there a 142 00:06:00,200 --> 00:05:56,760 certain event that made you decide to 143 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:00,210 quit the Department of Defense or was 144 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:02,250 this something that just came about 145 00:06:09,050 --> 00:06:06,210 gradually well first of all if I may be 146 00:06:11,540 --> 00:06:09,060 frank with you personally speaking I've 147 00:06:13,310 --> 00:06:11,550 seen and know too much at this point to 148 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:13,320 simply ignore the fact and turn my back 149 00:06:18,430 --> 00:06:17,010 and not address that that these crafts 150 00:06:20,510 --> 00:06:18,440 are real that they exist 151 00:06:23,180 --> 00:06:20,520 there's frankly just overwhelming 152 00:06:25,219 --> 00:06:23,190 evidence and my background being a no 153 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:25,229 kidding investigator throughout my 154 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:27,690 career and intelligence officer we have 155 00:06:35,540 --> 00:06:31,650 a responsibility to report and it's also 156 00:06:37,129 --> 00:06:35,550 a duty to warn and so when you go to the 157 00:06:39,740 --> 00:06:37,139 airport right or you go to a train 158 00:06:41,330 --> 00:06:39,750 station you hear that a famous 159 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:41,340 announcement you see something say 160 00:06:47,570 --> 00:06:41,730 something 161 00:06:50,780 --> 00:06:47,580 suspicious I mean when it comes to these 162 00:06:52,130 --> 00:06:50,790 things it's the opposite approach until 163 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:52,140 recently it was don't report these 164 00:06:55,250 --> 00:06:53,130 things because you might with your 165 00:06:57,260 --> 00:06:55,260 clearance you might you might wind up 166 00:06:58,370 --> 00:06:57,270 being taking a flight status and may put 167 00:07:01,280 --> 00:06:58,380 you some sort of psychological 168 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:01,290 evaluation and it's detrimental to your 169 00:07:05,450 --> 00:07:03,930 career and so I found that very 170 00:07:07,070 --> 00:07:05,460 dangerous because the only thing more 171 00:07:08,570 --> 00:07:07,080 dangerous or something flying in our 172 00:07:10,430 --> 00:07:08,580 skies we don't know what it is there's 173 00:07:13,070 --> 00:07:10,440 nothing we can do about it it's not even 174 00:07:16,310 --> 00:07:13,080 being able to have a conversation that 175 00:07:18,710 --> 00:07:16,320 is to me unacceptable and so my decision 176 00:07:20,630 --> 00:07:18,720 to leave the department was in part 177 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:20,640 because of my loyalty to the part about 178 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:22,890 disloyalty understand that at the time 179 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:25,650 secretary Madison this is a man that I 180 00:07:29,930 --> 00:07:27,450 served in a combat theater with and I 181 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:29,940 have the utmost greatest respect to this 182 00:07:33,590 --> 00:07:31,890 man I've seen him literally make 183 00:07:35,750 --> 00:07:33,600 decisions that save people's lives right 184 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:35,760 there on the spot so so this is a man 185 00:07:39,110 --> 00:07:37,650 through my experience who should have 186 00:07:40,910 --> 00:07:39,120 more information about less and when 187 00:07:43,700 --> 00:07:40,920 he's in a position of Secretary of 188 00:07:45,230 --> 00:07:43,710 Defense not even being able to let him 189 00:07:47,450 --> 00:07:45,240 know look these things are in our 190 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:47,460 controlled airspace and they're coming 191 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:49,530 close to our to our pilots and to the 192 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:50,610 point where you almost have a mid-air 193 00:07:56,810 --> 00:07:53,850 collision that's a problem and simply 194 00:07:59,270 --> 00:07:56,820 because of stigma and taboo frankly I 195 00:08:01,640 --> 00:07:59,280 don't give it a food what the stigma and 196 00:08:04,130 --> 00:08:01,650 taboo is you've got to tell the boss and 197 00:08:07,070 --> 00:08:04,140 when the bureaucracy doesn't allow that 198 00:08:09,590 --> 00:08:07,080 to happen then I think there's a failure 199 00:08:11,810 --> 00:08:09,600 of the system and we have to we have to 200 00:08:13,790 --> 00:08:11,820 fix that failure and so in fact going 201 00:08:15,710 --> 00:08:13,800 back to your question leaving what made 202 00:08:17,390 --> 00:08:15,720 me leave the department it wasn't 203 00:08:19,790 --> 00:08:17,400 necessarily a single event it was a 204 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:19,800 constant frustration of reporting and 205 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:22,050 briefing senior DoD leadership on these 206 00:08:26,030 --> 00:08:24,810 things and this resistance sale okay we 207 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:26,040 know who these things are real you're 208 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:27,810 right is compelling we've got the pilots 209 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:30,450 testimony we got it we're not quite sure 210 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:33,210 we want to tell the boss yet that to me 211 00:08:36,770 --> 00:08:35,010 and by the way I'm not blaming it 212 00:08:39,589 --> 00:08:36,780 because you know how did you tell a guy 213 00:08:41,690 --> 00:08:39,599 by the way who's made bad dog managed 214 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:41,700 that there's something I Scott I don't 215 00:08:43,460 --> 00:08:42,930 know what it is we don't know how to 216 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:43,470 stop it 217 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:45,210 keeping in mind that Department of 218 00:08:50,210 --> 00:08:47,130 Defense is an organization that is 219 00:08:52,610 --> 00:08:50,220 designed to have answers and you do not 220 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:52,620 want to go to the boss without any type 221 00:08:58,800 --> 00:08:55,450 of recommended course of action 222 00:09:00,360 --> 00:08:58,810 again it but at the same time I don't 223 00:09:02,430 --> 00:09:00,370 think this is like a conversation about 224 00:09:04,470 --> 00:09:02,440 fine wine and the longer we keep a cork 225 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:04,480 on it the better it gets I I think we 226 00:09:06,780 --> 00:09:05,890 need to have the conversation now in 227 00:09:08,490 --> 00:09:06,790 fact I think we didn't have the 228 00:09:11,750 --> 00:09:08,500 conversation five years ago if you ask 229 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:11,760 me and so I left the department 230 00:09:15,930 --> 00:09:13,930 sometimes if you love an organization 231 00:09:18,630 --> 00:09:15,940 enough if you want to fix it you have to 232 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:18,640 leave it and and by the way you know 233 00:09:24,270 --> 00:09:21,610 reminding that secretary mattis almost a 234 00:09:26,100 --> 00:09:24,280 year to the day day that I resigned he 235 00:09:29,910 --> 00:09:26,110 did the same thing he resigned out of 236 00:09:31,410 --> 00:09:29,920 principle so sometimes you have to leave 237 00:09:33,680 --> 00:09:31,420 an organization and fix it from the 238 00:09:36,570 --> 00:09:33,690 outside if you really really love it 239 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:36,580 help one of the things I hear quite a 240 00:09:42,300 --> 00:09:39,250 bit that people are speculating and I'm 241 00:09:44,610 --> 00:09:42,310 gonna ask you are you currently any type 242 00:09:48,030 --> 00:09:44,620 of contractor for the government and any 243 00:09:51,930 --> 00:09:48,040 type of capacity at this time no I don't 244 00:09:54,420 --> 00:09:51,940 know where they came from I am sure not 245 00:09:58,680 --> 00:09:54,430 getting paid that's pretty funny 246 00:10:01,980 --> 00:09:58,690 you know I watched the livestream when t 247 00:10:04,890 --> 00:10:01,990 TSA launched back in October I guess it 248 00:10:06,810 --> 00:10:04,900 was docked Oberer 11th 2017 and was 249 00:10:08,310 --> 00:10:06,820 surprised that there was so little press 250 00:10:10,980 --> 00:10:08,320 about it then 251 00:10:13,190 --> 00:10:10,990 December 16th the same year everything 252 00:10:15,390 --> 00:10:13,200 changed when the New York Times article 253 00:10:18,180 --> 00:10:15,400 co-authored by Helen Cooper Ralf 254 00:10:20,100 --> 00:10:18,190 Blumenthal and Leslie Kane was published 255 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:20,110 what was that like for you when that 256 00:10:23,730 --> 00:10:21,850 happened oh gosh 257 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:23,740 you know be honest with you I'm a 258 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:25,330 creature of the shadows I've spent my 259 00:10:30,180 --> 00:10:28,050 entire life living in the shadows out of 260 00:10:33,750 --> 00:10:30,190 frankly that's a matter of art our job 261 00:10:36,470 --> 00:10:33,760 so it is not my nature to be in the 262 00:10:40,230 --> 00:10:36,480 middle of the spotlight personally it's 263 00:10:42,420 --> 00:10:40,240 it's rather uncomfortable for me but at 264 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:42,430 the same time I think the message is 265 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:45,730 very important and so I'm doing what 266 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:48,370 what I feel is necessary now if you want 267 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:51,850 a very poor analogy I've often told 268 00:10:57,270 --> 00:10:54,730 people you know I think of myself as 269 00:10:59,850 --> 00:10:57,280 this albino caves new living somewhere 270 00:11:01,980 --> 00:10:59,860 in the recess of some back cave dark and 271 00:11:03,590 --> 00:11:01,990 happy and you know and all of a sudden 272 00:11:06,030 --> 00:11:03,600 someone taking this little this little 273 00:11:07,530 --> 00:11:06,040 lizard that's been happy its whole life 274 00:11:08,249 --> 00:11:07,540 living the dark and ripping it out and 275 00:11:11,549 --> 00:11:08,259 putting it in the middle 276 00:11:13,289 --> 00:11:11,559 Hot Desert Sun on noon on a noon around 277 00:11:17,090 --> 00:11:13,299 12 o'clock in the afternoon and people 278 00:11:21,150 --> 00:11:17,100 start poking at it it's it's not my my 279 00:11:24,269 --> 00:11:21,160 my natural environment but at the same 280 00:11:26,429 --> 00:11:24,279 time I think I think the message is 281 00:11:27,659 --> 00:11:26,439 important enough that we have a 282 00:11:29,789 --> 00:11:27,669 collective conversation with the 283 00:11:31,919 --> 00:11:29,799 American people well right after that 284 00:11:34,319 --> 00:11:31,929 came out I interviewed longtime UFO 285 00:11:39,119 --> 00:11:34,329 researchers Stanton Friedman who we 286 00:11:41,909 --> 00:11:39,129 sadly recently lost and he said that his 287 00:11:43,650 --> 00:11:41,919 biggest question is why now is the 288 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:43,660 government letting this out can you 289 00:11:47,819 --> 00:11:46,569 address that well I can't answer on 290 00:11:49,529 --> 00:11:47,829 behalf of the government because I'm no 291 00:11:51,629 --> 00:11:49,539 longer employed by the government but my 292 00:11:53,309 --> 00:11:51,639 question B would be in return well how 293 00:11:55,919 --> 00:11:53,319 come not five years ago how come not 10 294 00:11:59,099 --> 00:11:55,929 years ago with and I can't answer that I 295 00:12:04,159 --> 00:11:59,109 don't know why it may very well be that 296 00:12:07,109 --> 00:12:04,169 we now are the point where enough people 297 00:12:08,429 --> 00:12:07,119 are seeing these things and maybe maybe 298 00:12:10,379 --> 00:12:08,439 it's a cultural thing I really don't 299 00:12:12,929 --> 00:12:10,389 know maybe it's maybe looking at a point 300 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:12,939 where were as a culture we are more 301 00:12:17,159 --> 00:12:15,850 willing to accept the fact that there 302 00:12:18,989 --> 00:12:17,169 were things still in nature that we 303 00:12:21,299 --> 00:12:18,999 don't understand I mean let's look at it 304 00:12:23,309 --> 00:12:21,309 this way you know up until recently 305 00:12:25,079 --> 00:12:23,319 there was a statement by some folks 306 00:12:26,999 --> 00:12:25,089 saying I know we've discovered every 307 00:12:28,859 --> 00:12:27,009 species that there is to discover and of 308 00:12:32,729 --> 00:12:28,869 course every year we find new more 309 00:12:34,889 --> 00:12:32,739 species up until recently we had defined 310 00:12:37,079 --> 00:12:34,899 a living organism as something that kind 311 00:12:40,650 --> 00:12:37,089 of looks like you know an animal if you 312 00:12:43,259 --> 00:12:40,660 will in breach and reproduces and yet we 313 00:12:45,329 --> 00:12:43,269 find that life is diverse it's plentiful 314 00:12:46,829 --> 00:12:45,339 that's if you can go to the deepest 315 00:12:49,650 --> 00:12:46,839 darkest part of the Marianas Trench 316 00:12:51,389 --> 00:12:49,660 seven miles down and find life a mile 317 00:12:54,269 --> 00:12:51,399 under the Antarctic ice and you can find 318 00:12:57,509 --> 00:12:54,279 life and go to a two location on earth 319 00:12:59,879 --> 00:12:57,519 where these extremophiles exist and we 320 00:13:02,239 --> 00:12:59,889 look at this and say how can a creature 321 00:13:05,879 --> 00:13:02,249 live in total darkness and and you know 322 00:13:08,309 --> 00:13:05,889 many many many degrees Fahrenheit above 323 00:13:11,849 --> 00:13:08,319 what we can tolerate and live happiness 324 00:13:14,189 --> 00:13:11,859 in fact thrive so the definition of life 325 00:13:15,929 --> 00:13:14,199 is something that we continue to look at 326 00:13:19,470 --> 00:13:15,939 and ask ourselves a question medically 327 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:19,480 speaking you could look at a virus and 328 00:13:23,450 --> 00:13:21,450 say wow is that living thing 329 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:23,460 with some cases it says things like the 330 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:26,730 living thing every produces and it will 331 00:13:33,050 --> 00:13:30,210 do other things to survive but in other 332 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:33,060 cases you know doesn't have DNA so what 333 00:13:36,620 --> 00:13:34,770 makes something alive I suspect if you 334 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:36,630 were to come to earth and look at a 335 00:13:40,820 --> 00:13:39,090 plant and look at a human being you 336 00:13:43,820 --> 00:13:40,830 probably would say wow those are 337 00:13:46,100 --> 00:13:43,830 completely different life forms and yet 338 00:13:47,690 --> 00:13:46,110 they are living we have a lot of things 339 00:13:49,910 --> 00:13:47,700 in common with plants we were produced 340 00:13:53,030 --> 00:13:49,920 with compete for resources we grow we 341 00:13:54,620 --> 00:13:53,040 die so I don't know that's that's a 342 00:13:55,310 --> 00:13:54,630 really good question I don't know why 343 00:14:00,640 --> 00:13:55,320 now 344 00:14:03,770 --> 00:14:00,650 about the Navy's new reporting of 345 00:14:07,340 --> 00:14:03,780 unidentified aircraft do you think this 346 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:07,350 forward motion has in part happened 347 00:14:13,100 --> 00:14:11,250 because of t TSA and your efforts well 348 00:14:14,660 --> 00:14:13,110 it is undeniably as a result of what T 349 00:14:16,490 --> 00:14:14,670 TSA engaged in but it's not just a 350 00:14:17,870 --> 00:14:16,500 retail he's haunted by I don't I don't 351 00:14:19,100 --> 00:14:17,880 want people to have the misconception 352 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:19,110 that they may lose fear driving the 353 00:14:21,950 --> 00:14:20,250 train and making this happen because 354 00:14:23,390 --> 00:14:21,960 because it's not as a team effort we 355 00:14:26,060 --> 00:14:23,400 have folks like Chris melon this is a 356 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:26,070 man who who knows more about government 357 00:14:29,180 --> 00:14:27,810 inner workings and bureaucracy than just 358 00:14:32,570 --> 00:14:29,190 about anybody else on the planet you 359 00:14:35,030 --> 00:14:32,580 have folks like like Jim semi Pam senior 360 00:14:36,290 --> 00:14:35,040 CIA representative who knows about the 361 00:14:38,180 --> 00:14:36,300 Intelligence Committee probably better 362 00:14:39,890 --> 00:14:38,190 than anybody and dr. Howard off is a 363 00:14:43,190 --> 00:14:39,900 scientist world renowned scientist and 364 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:43,200 and Steve justice and Tom belongs this 365 00:14:47,090 --> 00:14:45,330 is a team effort and it's not just you 366 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:47,100 know talking to one person and out the 367 00:14:50,210 --> 00:14:48,450 native changes their mind starts 368 00:14:54,350 --> 00:14:50,220 allowing their pilots to report this 369 00:14:56,180 --> 00:14:54,360 stuff this is a coordinated it's a bit 370 00:14:58,160 --> 00:14:56,190 like a symphony symphony if your role as 371 00:15:00,920 --> 00:14:58,170 a coordinated effort every instrument as 372 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:00,930 their own sheet of music to play has its 373 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:04,290 own purpose and has to be in melody if 374 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:05,370 you will with the rest of the 375 00:15:09,770 --> 00:15:07,490 instruments so we are constantly 376 00:15:12,230 --> 00:15:09,780 coordinating with each other and and 377 00:15:13,730 --> 00:15:12,240 engaging the certain points within the 378 00:15:16,580 --> 00:15:13,740 US government that we think need to 379 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:16,590 engage in order for them to be educated 380 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:18,570 on what's really going on and then with 381 00:15:21,980 --> 00:15:20,490 that information you allow them to make 382 00:15:23,750 --> 00:15:21,990 the decision okay yeah you know what 383 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:23,760 there are something there maybe we 384 00:15:28,550 --> 00:15:26,730 should change our policy and by the way 385 00:15:30,020 --> 00:15:28,560 it's not just with us as a company it's 386 00:15:31,670 --> 00:15:30,030 also working with our government 387 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:31,680 partners we don't want to alienate them 388 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:33,210 they're not necessarily the enemy here 389 00:15:37,010 --> 00:15:35,010 we have to work with them 390 00:15:38,990 --> 00:15:37,020 and so that's the way to do that is to 391 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:39,000 work in a collaborative collaborative 392 00:15:42,620 --> 00:15:41,130 way where we're recording with them 393 00:15:44,690 --> 00:15:42,630 making coordinate with us we can 394 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:44,700 exchange information back and forth and 395 00:15:52,310 --> 00:15:49,530 that's how you make change so this 396 00:15:55,340 --> 00:15:52,320 question in particular comes from a long 397 00:15:58,400 --> 00:15:55,350 time UFO researcher and he wanted to 398 00:16:01,610 --> 00:15:58,410 know did you use the resources of anyone 399 00:16:04,220 --> 00:16:01,620 at NASA that's National Air and Space 400 00:16:06,470 --> 00:16:04,230 Intelligence Center had wright-patterson 401 00:16:09,830 --> 00:16:06,480 Air Force Base 402 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:09,840 I can't specifically talk about who we 403 00:16:13,970 --> 00:16:12,050 have or partnering with right now 404 00:16:16,370 --> 00:16:13,980 keeping in mind some of these 405 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:16,380 relationship ships are still in some 406 00:16:20,300 --> 00:16:17,850 cases they're nascent in another cases 407 00:16:22,820 --> 00:16:20,310 there's still a little bit sentiment so 408 00:16:24,740 --> 00:16:22,830 we have to be mindful a lot of times 409 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:24,750 when we mentioned specifically who we're 410 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:27,210 working with because still it's a 411 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:29,250 sensitive topic and some folks still you 412 00:16:34,250 --> 00:16:31,050 know get a little bit uncomfortable if 413 00:16:36,710 --> 00:16:34,260 you will I met you down at Cherry Hill 414 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:36,720 at the MUFON event and during the 415 00:16:40,130 --> 00:16:38,850 conference there I believe you said that 416 00:16:42,740 --> 00:16:40,140 do you think that we're actually going 417 00:16:45,590 --> 00:16:42,750 through disclosure where do you think 418 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:45,600 things are going in the future what's 419 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:48,450 your take on that well let me put it 420 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:51,810 this way a year and a half ago if we 421 00:16:56,420 --> 00:16:53,970 were to have this conversation we would 422 00:16:58,190 --> 00:16:56,430 probably be laughed out of the building 423 00:17:00,590 --> 00:16:58,200 that we were in if this was a government 424 00:17:04,090 --> 00:17:00,600 building and if you were to talk to a TV 425 00:17:08,150 --> 00:17:04,100 TV production studio they would probably 426 00:17:09,230 --> 00:17:08,160 very quickly dismiss you and be polite 427 00:17:12,350 --> 00:17:09,240 but they said you know we're not really 428 00:17:14,810 --> 00:17:12,360 interested in look how far we've come in 429 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:14,820 just the last year and a half you have 430 00:17:19,189 --> 00:17:16,890 now the government admitting that it did 431 00:17:21,260 --> 00:17:19,199 indeed have a UFO program that it was 432 00:17:24,949 --> 00:17:21,270 indeed funded the actual academic 433 00:17:27,079 --> 00:17:24,959 studies were conducted that videos were 434 00:17:30,530 --> 00:17:27,089 actually collected and obtained and 435 00:17:32,510 --> 00:17:30,540 analyzed you now have the the admission 436 00:17:34,730 --> 00:17:32,520 by several elements in the government 437 00:17:36,980 --> 00:17:34,740 that these things are indeed real and 438 00:17:39,650 --> 00:17:36,990 now you have changing of policy at a 439 00:17:41,630 --> 00:17:39,660 national level that allows the reporting 440 00:17:43,130 --> 00:17:41,640 and the collection of data of these 441 00:17:45,230 --> 00:17:43,140 things and by the way there's a lot more 442 00:17:46,670 --> 00:17:45,240 things that occur that it probably can't 443 00:17:49,159 --> 00:17:46,680 talk about right now but it'll come to 444 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:49,169 light so I think we've come light year 445 00:17:52,399 --> 00:17:50,970 ahead of where we were just a year and a 446 00:17:54,019 --> 00:17:52,409 half ago and if you look at even the 447 00:17:55,310 --> 00:17:54,029 show that we're doing now with our with 448 00:17:55,759 --> 00:17:55,320 the History Channel Ami's History 449 00:17:58,639 --> 00:17:55,769 Channel 450 00:18:00,710 --> 00:17:58,649 this isn't a UFO hunting show this isn't 451 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:00,720 a an entertainment show 452 00:18:05,810 --> 00:18:03,090 this isn't even a reality show this is a 453 00:18:07,970 --> 00:18:05,820 show about reality what they plan is if 454 00:18:08,779 --> 00:18:07,980 a saw me think a year and a half ago 455 00:18:10,159 --> 00:18:08,789 they would have assigned some 456 00:18:12,129 --> 00:18:10,169 entertainment producers to do a show 457 00:18:14,629 --> 00:18:12,139 like this this is not what they did 458 00:18:16,220 --> 00:18:14,639 History Channel decided to assign some 459 00:18:17,450 --> 00:18:16,230 of them was hardened investigative 460 00:18:19,669 --> 00:18:17,460 journalists that who spent their careers 461 00:18:21,649 --> 00:18:19,679 looking at the underbelly of the human 462 00:18:24,409 --> 00:18:21,659 race and things like like sex 463 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:24,419 trafficking and and corruption and 464 00:18:29,299 --> 00:18:27,210 organized crime even a camera crew that 465 00:18:32,060 --> 00:18:29,309 they assigned to this thing a lot of 466 00:18:34,879 --> 00:18:32,070 these folks have been in combat theaters 467 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:34,889 filming the US troops under fire so this 468 00:18:38,859 --> 00:18:36,570 is an investigative journalist at peace 469 00:18:41,930 --> 00:18:38,869 in fact they won't even let me see the 470 00:18:43,279 --> 00:18:41,940 episodes before the public because they 471 00:18:44,749 --> 00:18:43,289 want to keep that investigative 472 00:18:46,970 --> 00:18:44,759 journalist ik integrity and I admire 473 00:18:50,299 --> 00:18:46,980 them for that so what you're seeing is 474 00:18:52,070 --> 00:18:50,309 raw footage we you know there are no 475 00:18:53,779 --> 00:18:52,080 retakes there are no scripts look I'm 476 00:18:55,669 --> 00:18:53,789 not a Hollywood gun I'm you know I'm 477 00:18:58,009 --> 00:18:55,679 gonna i'm an old Intel guy you know 478 00:18:59,600 --> 00:18:58,019 don't you investigators so you could 479 00:19:01,759 --> 00:18:59,610 even if you wanted me to act I'm not 480 00:19:03,769 --> 00:19:01,769 gonna be a very good actor so we 481 00:19:05,539 --> 00:19:03,779 realized very early on that in order for 482 00:19:07,070 --> 00:19:05,549 this to work it had to be real and what 483 00:19:10,340 --> 00:19:07,080 the audience see what you see is what 484 00:19:11,450 --> 00:19:10,350 you get and it's it's that's it and 485 00:19:13,609 --> 00:19:11,460 we'll let the audience decide for 486 00:19:15,230 --> 00:19:13,619 themselves I know you said something 487 00:19:18,109 --> 00:19:15,240 along the lines where you don't know 488 00:19:20,210 --> 00:19:18,119 what's happening in each episode as 489 00:19:22,580 --> 00:19:20,220 before it comes out but can you give us 490 00:19:25,700 --> 00:19:22,590 an idea what we might be expecting down 491 00:19:27,409 --> 00:19:25,710 the line on unidentified yeah I mean 492 00:19:29,509 --> 00:19:27,419 because I was I was there obviously for 493 00:19:31,100 --> 00:19:29,519 the filming I I can't I haven't I have a 494 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:31,110 general understanding but I don't really 495 00:19:34,730 --> 00:19:33,330 know what what they decide to put in and 496 00:19:36,889 --> 00:19:34,740 what leaves of there was a tremendous 497 00:19:38,690 --> 00:19:36,899 amount of information contained and I 498 00:19:40,730 --> 00:19:38,700 think what you'll realize and the 499 00:19:42,980 --> 00:19:40,740 audience will realize hopefully is that 500 00:19:44,539 --> 00:19:42,990 this is truly a global phenomena this is 501 00:19:47,749 --> 00:19:44,549 something that does have a national 502 00:19:49,970 --> 00:19:47,759 security Nexus and it is a conversation 503 00:19:51,230 --> 00:19:49,980 that we should have as young people and 504 00:19:52,639 --> 00:19:51,240 by the way I think they'll also have a 505 00:19:54,739 --> 00:19:52,649 great appreciation that there are some 506 00:19:56,210 --> 00:19:54,749 people working behind the scenes very 507 00:19:58,310 --> 00:19:56,220 very hard and they're doing some 508 00:20:00,919 --> 00:19:58,320 incredible work and I think our 509 00:20:02,730 --> 00:20:00,929 servicemen and women in uniform deserve 510 00:20:04,470 --> 00:20:02,740 the most credit these folks are 511 00:20:06,630 --> 00:20:04,480 are the best of the best this country 512 00:20:08,490 --> 00:20:06,640 has and their braids and their Patriots 513 00:20:10,830 --> 00:20:08,500 and they're doing their duty and they're 514 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:10,840 doing it for the first time stepping out 515 00:20:14,399 --> 00:20:12,730 of the shadows we're a year and a half 516 00:20:17,220 --> 00:20:14,409 ago frankly they could have lost their 517 00:20:20,010 --> 00:20:17,230 jobs doing and now you have a navy and a 518 00:20:22,260 --> 00:20:20,020 PA Oh actually allowing folks to step 519 00:20:23,549 --> 00:20:22,270 forward and have a conversation on the 520 00:20:25,529 --> 00:20:23,559 public stage I mean that's that's 521 00:20:28,350 --> 00:20:25,539 remarkable I mean just a year and a half 522 00:20:30,659 --> 00:20:28,360 ago imagine how far we've come in just a 523 00:20:32,940 --> 00:20:30,669 year and a half on this topic 524 00:20:34,649 --> 00:20:32,950 you now have major media outlets really 525 00:20:36,539 --> 00:20:34,659 taking this seriously once and for all 526 00:20:38,310 --> 00:20:36,549 and of course you know going about your 527 00:20:40,500 --> 00:20:38,320 original question to me that that's 528 00:20:42,419 --> 00:20:40,510 folks out there that are you know we're 529 00:20:45,149 --> 00:20:42,429 still trying to push a narrative but 530 00:20:46,919 --> 00:20:45,159 look how far we've come and I think that 531 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:46,929 that's very encouraging and I think I 532 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:48,850 think the American people are ready to 533 00:20:53,070 --> 00:20:50,890 have the conversation why not I thought 534 00:20:56,899 --> 00:20:53,080 one of the best parts of episode one was 535 00:21:01,049 --> 00:20:56,909 the female pilot that remained anonymous 536 00:21:02,610 --> 00:21:01,059 she did look rather shaken do you think 537 00:21:05,430 --> 00:21:02,620 someone like her will feel more 538 00:21:08,279 --> 00:21:05,440 comfortable in the future as more of 539 00:21:10,740 --> 00:21:08,289 this type of thing is validated I hope 540 00:21:14,669 --> 00:21:10,750 so I know it's I can't answer on her 541 00:21:16,860 --> 00:21:14,679 behalf I certainly hope so I know for me 542 00:21:18,899 --> 00:21:16,870 I still sometimes find myself looking 543 00:21:20,340 --> 00:21:18,909 over my shoulder and and but let me put 544 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:20,350 this into context just very recently I 545 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:22,090 had a conversation with a colleague of 546 00:21:25,380 --> 00:21:23,890 mine at the Pentagon he said you know a 547 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:25,390 little conversation you and I had to 548 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:27,970 have in the shadows behind a vault 549 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:30,730 behind a you know a skiff and we'd have 550 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:32,770 to whisper I can now have this 551 00:21:36,810 --> 00:21:34,570 conversation openly and something in the 552 00:21:40,139 --> 00:21:36,820 halls of the Pentagon and that that 553 00:21:41,820 --> 00:21:40,149 represents a seismic shift in where this 554 00:21:44,669 --> 00:21:41,830 conversation is going that people 555 00:21:46,110 --> 00:21:44,679 actively wanting to help whereas before 556 00:21:47,370 --> 00:21:46,120 they would run away in the opposite 557 00:21:47,940 --> 00:21:47,380 direction to say don't ever mention that 558 00:21:49,860 --> 00:21:47,950 to me again 559 00:21:51,690 --> 00:21:49,870 now they're saying hey look how can I 560 00:21:53,299 --> 00:21:51,700 help but what can we do as an 561 00:21:56,190 --> 00:21:53,309 organization as an agency is a 562 00:21:58,320 --> 00:21:56,200 institution to help and I think that's 563 00:21:59,909 --> 00:21:58,330 tremendous are you kidding me I mean in 564 00:22:03,090 --> 00:21:59,919 a year and a half that conversation has 565 00:22:06,019 --> 00:22:03,100 come that far Yeah right that's true 566 00:22:08,789 --> 00:22:06,029 were you initially hesitant when you 567 00:22:11,909 --> 00:22:08,799 were getting involved with what Tom 568 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:11,919 DeLonge was putting together nope nobody 569 00:22:23,460 --> 00:22:19,590 look tell you everybody on this team has 570 00:22:24,750 --> 00:22:23,470 a very special everybody we were a bit 571 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:24,760 about our little company's a bit like a 572 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:27,010 Swiss Army knife everybody can do a 573 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:29,290 particular function very very well in 574 00:22:33,630 --> 00:22:31,810 Toms case this is a man everybody knows 575 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:33,640 him as I guess we'd senior to a couple 576 00:22:39,060 --> 00:22:34,930 bands but what they don't know is that 577 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:39,070 he's brilliant he is truly a extremely 578 00:22:43,500 --> 00:22:42,010 creative and and quite frankly he's we 579 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:43,510 managed to get to the highest levels of 580 00:22:47,850 --> 00:22:46,450 the government on this topic when nobody 581 00:22:51,030 --> 00:22:47,860 wanted to have a conversation he's 582 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:51,040 tenacious I think as I've said before 583 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:53,170 you know sometimes in a crowded room you 584 00:22:58,170 --> 00:22:55,570 need a megaphone bomb is definitely that 585 00:22:59,760 --> 00:22:58,180 megaphone is not afraid to about his 586 00:23:00,900 --> 00:22:59,770 reputation he does what he feels is 587 00:23:01,910 --> 00:23:00,910 right and I gotta give him credit for 588 00:23:04,470 --> 00:23:01,920 that 589 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:04,480 sometimes I've told you before you want 590 00:23:09,450 --> 00:23:06,010 to you want to sometimes you need a bull 591 00:23:11,430 --> 00:23:09,460 in a china shop in Toms case so it's 592 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:11,440 more like a fragmentation grenade but 593 00:23:16,380 --> 00:23:13,690 you know sometimes you need to you need 594 00:23:17,730 --> 00:23:16,390 to break a little China in order to fix 595 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:17,740 a system and he's been very very 596 00:23:22,230 --> 00:23:20,410 effective at doing that and frankly it's 597 00:23:24,510 --> 00:23:22,240 just a really decent human being I mean 598 00:23:26,190 --> 00:23:24,520 I've had a chance in my career to work 599 00:23:26,910 --> 00:23:26,200 with a lot of people in some good and 600 00:23:29,460 --> 00:23:26,920 some not so good 601 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:29,470 tom is right up there at the top of the 602 00:23:34,110 --> 00:23:32,290 list he is just a decent human being he 603 00:23:35,430 --> 00:23:34,120 wants to do the right thing he's willing 604 00:23:37,650 --> 00:23:35,440 to do whatever he has to do include 605 00:23:39,690 --> 00:23:37,660 putting his own money his own reputation 606 00:23:41,910 --> 00:23:39,700 on the line he left he left one of the 607 00:23:43,650 --> 00:23:41,920 world's largest punk rock bands to 608 00:23:45,030 --> 00:23:43,660 pursue this because he felt that this is 609 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:45,040 the right thing to do I don't know how 610 00:23:47,820 --> 00:23:46,690 many people out there willing to do that 611 00:23:50,790 --> 00:23:47,830 a lot of people wouldn't get off of 612 00:23:52,050 --> 00:23:50,800 their opinions about this but when push 613 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:52,060 comes to shove you think they believe 614 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:53,050 their job to do it 615 00:23:58,050 --> 00:23:55,330 no I think they think their careers 616 00:24:01,290 --> 00:23:58,060 behind to pursue this I don't know you 617 00:24:03,810 --> 00:24:01,300 know so I think I think I think we need 618 00:24:06,660 --> 00:24:03,820 to give him credit where credit is due 619 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:06,670 he has definitely moved the needle on 620 00:24:10,850 --> 00:24:08,890 this conversation that's right and you 621 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:10,860 know I think there's a lot of jealousy 622 00:24:16,050 --> 00:24:13,450 because you know Tom came out of nowhere 623 00:24:18,330 --> 00:24:16,060 basically and people have been on this 624 00:24:21,420 --> 00:24:18,340 topic some of them for a good part of 625 00:24:23,100 --> 00:24:21,430 their lives and so there's some jealousy 626 00:24:25,470 --> 00:24:23,110 out there but you know we really do have 627 00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:25,480 to give him credit because you know you 628 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:28,320 and I wouldn't be even talking today and 629 00:24:32,930 --> 00:24:31,770 he really has changed a lot look we've 630 00:24:35,350 --> 00:24:32,940 got to get over this jealousy thing 631 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:35,360 there's nothing to be jealous about 632 00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:38,010 we're trying to have the conversation 633 00:24:40,700 --> 00:24:39,600 that we've been that some folks have 634 00:24:43,010 --> 00:24:40,710 been trying to have for a very long time 635 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:43,020 this should be cause for celebration 636 00:24:47,419 --> 00:24:45,450 it's just not time to be Petty and you 637 00:24:49,039 --> 00:24:47,429 know it's this is a time for all of us 638 00:24:51,289 --> 00:24:49,049 to work together and say hey you know 639 00:24:54,590 --> 00:24:51,299 this is an important topic this is 640 00:24:56,330 --> 00:24:54,600 something that involves humanity that 641 00:24:58,250 --> 00:24:56,340 was my opinion anyways I don't think 642 00:24:59,780 --> 00:24:58,260 there's any reason for anybody jealous 643 00:25:01,850 --> 00:24:59,790 look this is a team effort this is a 644 00:25:04,190 --> 00:25:01,860 group effort you know how did I had it 645 00:25:06,919 --> 00:25:04,200 not been for folks having an interest in 646 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:06,929 this for the last I guess you know 70 647 00:25:10,100 --> 00:25:09,090 years maybe we wouldn't have gotten to 648 00:25:11,780 --> 00:25:10,110 where we are today 649 00:25:13,789 --> 00:25:11,790 you know everybody everybody should 650 00:25:16,039 --> 00:25:13,799 accept credit for this this is not a TTS 651 00:25:18,140 --> 00:25:16,049 a thing or even a History Channel thing 652 00:25:20,419 --> 00:25:18,150 this isn't you know this is this is a 653 00:25:22,100 --> 00:25:20,429 this is something that everybody should 654 00:25:25,159 --> 00:25:22,110 look at and say hey you know I had a 655 00:25:26,690 --> 00:25:25,169 little part of that you're doing this 656 00:25:29,510 --> 00:25:26,700 show right now you are doing this 657 00:25:32,659 --> 00:25:29,520 podcast you have a part of this you are 658 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:32,669 very much integral to the conversation I 659 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:34,770 mean don't look now but that's exactly 660 00:25:37,820 --> 00:25:35,610 what you're doing 661 00:25:39,950 --> 00:25:37,830 you are very as much part as we are you 662 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:39,960 are too and so are your listeners 663 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:41,010 because they're taking the time to 664 00:25:46,100 --> 00:25:42,690 listen to this rather than you know 665 00:25:48,650 --> 00:25:46,110 change the channel to something else you 666 00:25:50,570 --> 00:25:48,660 know they could be I was and what 667 00:25:51,799 --> 00:25:50,580 specifically what but there's lots of 668 00:25:55,070 --> 00:25:51,809 things that people can listen to and 669 00:25:57,140 --> 00:25:55,080 watch these days and I then tuning in to 670 00:25:59,960 --> 00:25:57,150 to to your program that should be an 671 00:26:02,539 --> 00:25:59,970 indicator at that that you are part of 672 00:26:04,430 --> 00:26:02,549 this this this see change and so we're 673 00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:04,440 your listeners everybody every one of us 674 00:26:09,950 --> 00:26:07,679 have a part Lou thanks so much it's been 675 00:26:11,450 --> 00:26:09,960 an absolute pleasure yes sir thank you 676 00:26:13,700 --> 00:26:11,460 very much pleasure than bye thank you 677 00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:13,710 all right everyone that was Lou Elizondo 678 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:17,130 and check out the series unidentified 679 00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:19,770 inside America's UFO investigation and 680 00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:24,480 that's on Fridays at 10 p.m. on History 681 00:26:30,169 --> 00:26:26,880 Channel and this is Martin Willis with 682 00:26:35,310 --> 00:26:30,179 podcast UFO and keep your eyes to the